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Aseel al-Omari is a self-described "close friend" of Mohammed Asha, a suspect arrested in connection with last week's failed terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport in Scotland.

The Associated Press reports that al-Omari said the following in defense of her friend:
"He was a good Muslim but never a terrorist or involved in such activities," she added.
Emphasis mine. Apparently, al-Omari thinks it's noteworthy for a good Muslim not to be a terrorist. Hey, she said it, not me.
Posted by GaijinBiker on 07.06.2007 at 5:52pm
Topics: Britain, RoP, Terrorism
langtry (mail):
Why, oh why, do people refuse to take Islamists (and their sympathizers) at their word?
7.7.2007 1:59am
GaijinBiker (mail) (www):
I think this was a gaffe by al-Omari, albeit a particularly amusing one.
7.7.2007 12:17pm
Mo (mail):
indeed, gaijinbiker, the emphasis is all yours. So's the inference that the speaker implied any kind of surprise that being a Muslim doesn't make one a terrorist.

Surely you'll agree by considering these examples:

``He was a good Jew but never a terrorist or involved in such activities.''

Does this, to you, imply that whoever wrote it is suggesting that, normally, a good Jew is a terrorist?

``He was a good Republican but never a bigot or involved in such activities.''

It is beyond dispute that the word ``but'' is used draw contrast between the two allegations: 1. that the suspect was Muslim. 2. that the suspect is a terrorist. As gaijinbiker notes, but seems to misunderstand, the sentence was uttered ``in defense of her friend.'') Clearly, there was no intent to draw a contrast between expectations and reality.

That gaijinbiker would draw such an obviously wrong inference is an excellent example of how badly anti-Muslim bias colors his perceptions.

Langtry: no one refuses to take Islamists at their word. I defy you to provide a single example of that.

Perhaps what you mean is that most Americans decline to generalize the words of radical Muslims to all Muslims. Perhaps you are confused by the right-wing GOP spin that, sadly, ironically, pretends that bin Laden speaks for Muslims in general, rather than the tiny minority of extremists he actually represents.
7.15.2007 8:24am
TokyoTom (mail):
Kinda like those who may refer to some Americans abroad as "good and pro-democracy, but not caught up in using the military as a tool to force the issue?

How many Americans has this Administration made to feel apologetic?

The comparison is an amusng one, no?
7.15.2007 11:08pm
GaijinBiker (mail) (www):
Mo, you fail at logic.

"But" is properly used to link two things when the second one comes as a surprise given the first. Such as:
"He won the lottery, but never turned in his winning ticket."

"She studied economics, but ended up becoming an artist."

"He demanded we all fight global warming, but continued to fly in his own private jet."
And so on. When one thing understandably follows from another, however, we don't usually link them with "but". Consider how weird these examples sound:
"He won the lottery, but handed in his winning ticket."

"He studied economics, but ended up becoming an economics professor."

"He demanded we all fight global warming, but walked everywhere instead of driving to set an example."
The use of "but" in such examples is obviously illogical. As is your comment.
7.16.2007 3:09pm
Mo (mail):
As noted previously, you are ignoring that the comment came in response to an allegation that a particular Muslim was a terrorist. Here's the actual context you removed from the discussion en route to misrepresenting it:

``Galil is a Muslim terrorist.''

``No, he is a Muslim, but not a terrorist.''

For good measure, we can come up with plenty of similar examples:

Gaijinbiker is a rational blogger.

``He is a blogger, but not rational.''

Your claim that "but" means surprise is pure projection. Perhaps you aren't aware of how thoroughly your anti-Muslim bias colors your perceptions, but it clearly has in this case.
7.16.2007 5:08pm
GaijinBiker (mail) (www):
Bzzt, try again. You conveniently omitted the fact that al-Omari descrived Asha not simply as “a Muslim”, but as “a good Muslim”.

One would have hoped that these two categories were mutually exclusive — that if one is a terrorist, one is, by definition, not a good Muslim. But if that were the case, al-Omari could have simply said, “He’s a good Muslim”, and the fact that Asha was not a terrorist would logically follow. Instead, al-Omari apparently thinks it’s quite possible for a good Muslim to also be a terrorist. Yes, Asha is a good Muslim, according to al-Owari, but he's not one of those good Muslims.

Again, if this troubles you, blame al-Omari for her thoughtless slip of the tongue. I'm just the messenger. The only bias on display here is yours, against me. I remeber it quite well from your previous comment accounts; how is the new alias treating you?
7.16.2007 9:09pm
Mo (mail):
Perhaps more examples will illustrate the point:

The performance was marred by the reedy singing of Madonna and uninspired dancing.
Not everyone agreed: ``She's a mediocre singer, but a fabulous dancer.''

The New York Post reported that devout Zoroastrans such as Mr. Kahane burned down the mosque. Mr. Kahane's friend and associate Irv Rubin said: "He's a good Zoroastran, but not a terrorist."

Gaijinbiker was named on the blog "Campaign of Hate'' as a prolific blogger of anti-Muslim material. His friend Langtry said: ``He's prolific blogger, but not anti-Muslim.''

As we can see, adding the modifier "good" before "Muslim" does nothing to change the essential fact that al-Omari is responding directly to an allegation that her friend is a Muslim terrorist. If we set aside an assumption that a Muslim is a terrorist, her comment makes perfect sense in that it explains that one of the characterizations is true, (he is a Muslim) BUT the other is false, (he is not a terrorist.)
Only when we assume any Muslim is likely to be a terrorist does your interpretation of the sentence make any sense.
7.17.2007 6:35am
TokyoTom (mail):
If I can add another two bits' worth, we all have biases, and it pays to try to be aware of them (as well as those of others), even as we all seem to be better at self-justification while pointing out the obvious beam in the eyes of others.

GB, I share your concern with Muslim fanaticism and failed development, but where does that lead us? Has our effort in Iraq been worth its many costs and do we need to compound them by starting another war? What are really our best (and least costly) strategies for dealing with Muslim societies?
7.19.2007 1:13pm
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