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Did you know that the Bridal Chorus (you know, the "Here Comes the Bride" music) is not usually played at Jewish weddings — because it was composed by Richard Wagner, a notorious anti-semite whose music and essays are believed to have inspired Hitler?

I didn't either; I just found it out while Googling for Jewish wedding music. So we've ditched the Bridal Chorus in favor of the popular Jewish substitute, Baruch Haba.
Posted by GaijinBiker on 08.05.2007 at 11:15pm
Topics: Miscellaneous
David (mail):
There is no law or religious injunction preventing use of this bit of music. We have pretty much come to accept the duality of the awfulness of Wagner and the greatness of the music.

But there is this: This bit of music, from Lohengrin, is not a wedding march, and it is not "Here Comes the Bride", either. It is is an epithalamion, from the Greek thalamos, main bedroom. The wedding, complete with march, happened back at the end of Act II. This music is the beginning of Act III, and takes place in the bedroom, after the reception. Attendants escort the couple to bed and undress them. The lyrics have things like:

Flee now the splendor of the wedding feast,
may the delights of the heart be yours!
This sweet-smelling room, decked for love,
now takes you in, away from the splendor.
Faithfully guided, draw now near
to where the blessing of love shall preserve you!

Not everyone would want that. Also worth noting that the wedding in question was never consummated, and the groom left in the morning. In fact the bride never even got this guy's name. So it may be no great loss.

You might want to check out the whole of Lohengrin if you have a few spare hours.
8.6.2007 4:48pm
GaijinBiker (mail) (www):
Very interesting. So, what do you think of Baruch Haba as processional music? Too fast?
8.6.2007 9:52pm
langtry (mail):
David explained far better than I could about the significance of Wagner, and how hard it can be to reconcile his doings with the wonders of his music. My parents used to have a season subscription to the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. We were often treated to Wagner as the CSO's former maestro, Argentine-born Israeli Daniel Barenboim, is one of the main promoter's of Wagner's music. The concert with "Valkries" was the one time I have seen someone clap their hands over their head and "rock out" at the staid Symphony Hall.

As for the "Here Comes the Bride" I've always hated it. Can't put it down to any particular thing ... perhaps it's just too much of a cliche. I always liked the "Trumpet Voluntary" (Arne, I believe) or a piece that I heard in the movie "Master &Commander" by Arcangelo Corelli called "Adagio From Concerto Grosso Op. 6. No. 8 In G Minor". When you want romantic music, always go with the Italians!

Slightly OT: I remember a Fark.com thread a couple of years back where someone asked for readers' suggestions for 'wedding march' music. I think he did it for laughs rather than serious inquiries, but it was one of the funniest. threads. evar. to appear on that site. My favorite suggestion came from a guy who claimed his wife surprised him by walking down the aisle to the "March of The Stormtroopers"!
8.7.2007 12:32am
GaijinBiker (mail) (www):
My favorite suggestion came from a guy who claimed his wife surprised him by walking down the aisle to the "March of The Stormtroopers"!

That's the Imperial March. Get it right.
8.7.2007 3:13am
David (mail):
Very interesting. So, what do you think of Baruch Haba as processional music? Too fast?

Depends where on the joy/solemnity spectrum you are aiming. Trudging down the aisle or dancing--I know where I fall.


CSO's former maestro, Argentine-born Israeli Daniel Barenboim...

Mmmm, Barenboim. Great conductor, great man. He has worked to set up a youth orchestra with musicians from both Jerusalem and Ramallah. Once in Berlin I saw him conduct all 10 of Wagner's operas in two weeks. Yow.
8.7.2007 6:25am
langtry (mail):
David:

Mmmm, Barenboim. Great conductor, great man. He has worked to set up a youth orchestra with musicians from both Jerusalem and Ramallah. Once in Berlin I saw him conduct all 10 of Wagner's operas in two weeks. Yow.
I consider myself enormously lucky to have been able to hear both Maestros Solti a few times and Barenboim regularly. Pierre Boulez would substitute for Barenboim and is also a great advocate for modern classical music: he always had a selection that I was happy to have heard (not always the case with contemporary compositions).
8.8.2007 1:33am
GaijinBiker (mail) (www):
I didn't know I was running such a cultured blog here.
8.8.2007 3:43pm
Jeff in Korea (mail) (www):

I saw him conduct all 10 of Wagner's operas in two weeks.


Oh... The poor musicians. Good Grief.
8.8.2007 3:54pm
langtry (mail):
Gb:

I didn't know I was running such a cultured blog here.
I have the solution for that: run a caption contest!
8.8.2007 11:22pm
GaijinBiker (mail) (www):
No.
8.9.2007 3:21am
langtry (mail):
GB:

No.
It was just a suggestion ... no need to be short.
8.9.2007 5:41am
Mo (mail):
I went to the opera once. But it was part of a scheme to get laid, so I guess that doesn't really count, does it?
8.9.2007 11:34pm
GaijinBiker (mail) (www):
I meant "No" in a funny way.
8.10.2007 12:27am
langtry (mail):
Mo:

I went to the opera once. But it was part of a scheme to get laid, so I guess that doesn't really count, does it?
Sure it does, especially if you liked it (the music, that is). Did it work?

GB:

I meant "No" in a funny way.
Okay. Guess I can still show up here, then!
8.10.2007 6:09am
TokyoTom (mail):
If I were to say that Wagner's anti-Semitism (repugnant to me personally)manifested a tribal suspicion of imcompletely assimilated outsiders, and that this is a dynamic that has deep evolutionary roots, would that be observation be bigoted?
8.10.2007 6:30pm
TokyoTom (mail):
GB, actually, forgive that question for now. I really just meant to congratulate you on your wedding plans, and hope all goes well!

Seriously.
8.10.2007 7:08pm
TokyoTom (mail):
The "Motorcycle Mama" song popped into my head over the weekend; you might want to fit it in someplace for a bit of fun.
8.14.2007 11:57am
bojack (www):
I was always partial to Yakity Sax.
8.19.2007 1:51am
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